Are Royalty Agencies Stealing Your Money

Are Royalty Agencies Stealing Your Money


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When you become a member of a royalty agency you give them control of your music so they can collect your royalties  if it is played live on radio, or basically any public performance. Now you don’t give them that control over your music so they can go out and collect your royalties and keep them for themselves or give your royalty payment to someone else.  But that seems to be what is happening in Ireland and on a global scale in fact. We have two main agencies that collect music royalties. IMRO and PPI.

You have not sold your music or given away the Intellectual Property rights of the music. 

You have merely given these agencies control of your music to license on your behalf any public use by a commercial business of your music. If a commercial outlet such as a Radio Station uses your music on a public broadcast you are entitled to be paid a royalty payment. The royalty agency was set up to act on your behalf to collect the royalty payment from the Radio Station and distribute this royalty to you, minus some expenses for collecting the money. These expenses are enormous in Ireland.

Copyright Act

Right to equitable remuneration where rental right transferred.

125.—(1) Without prejudice to the generality of section 124 , where an author has transferred his or her rental right he or she retains the right to equitable remuneration for the rental.

(2) The right to equitable remuneration conferred by this section shall not be waived by the author and the author shall not assign the right to equitable remuneration except to a collecting society for the purpose of enabling the collecting society to exercise that right on his or her behalf.

(3) The right to equitable remuneration is transmissible by way of testamentary disposition or by operation of law, as personal or moveable property and it may be further transmitted, including by assignment, by any person who legally acquires the right.

(4) Equitable remuneration under this section is payable by the person to whom the rental right is transferred or any successor in title.

(5) Subject to section 126 , the amount payable by way of equitable remuneration is that which has been agreed by or on behalf of the persons by and to whom it is payable.

(6) An agreement is void in so far as it purports to exclude or restrict the right to equitable remuneration conferred by this section.

(7) References in this Part to the transfer of the rental right by one person to another include any arrangement having that effect whether made by them directly or through intermediaries.

(8) In this section, “collecting society” means a society or other organisation which has as one of its main objects the exercise of the right to collect equitable remuneration under this section on behalf of more than one author.


Irish Music Rights Organisation – IMRO

It states on their website: IMRO

Collects royalties on behalf of  songwriters, lyricists, composers, arrangers of public domain music and music publishers.

IMRO will collect and distribute royalties earned by you for public performances of your music in Ireland. Public performances include radio/television broadcasts, live performances and online uses


Phonographic Performance Ireland

PPI Website States:

PPI is the only organisation in Ireland to collect royalties for copyright recorded music on behalf of record companies and performers.



IMRO states it distributed 40.1 million in royalty payment in 2013, to members and affiliate members and cable rights holders.
So who got all this money?

The running costs of these agencies are staggering,  can go into  millions every year. They can even use Irish laws to take people to court if they don’t pay them.

But those laws are there to protect us too. Intellectual Property and Copyright Law is there to protect us as well as these agencies.  If these agencies are not paying us the money they have collected  for us they are abusing these laws. Your Intellectual Property of your music is still yours.

The Intellectual Property Act was put there to ensure your work would be recognized as yours. It states in that Intellectual Property Act, the conditions  applicable to your work and businesses that use your work are to compensate your for the use of that work, in their commercial business.  They cannot use your music without having license to do so. The Copyright law is there  to enforce any misuses of your work.

Now if you have given a royalty collection agent permission to license your work for public broadcast in what ever form and that agent collects money on your behalf and does not give you the money, he is breaking that law. You have been deceived and misrepresented.

A royalty agent cannot or should not, accept a logging situation from a radio station where you have been played and you have not appeared on that log. It cannot or should not, accept a sample log from that station because you may have in fact been played and  if you are not on that sample log, you get no royalty payment.

That would be negligence on behalf of the royalty agency who has licensed your music work to that station, he would not be representing and protecting the Intellectual Property of your music properly, and therefore allowing the radio station to use your copyrighted music without paying you a royalty.

A royalty agent cannot legally give a blanket license to a radio station to  play all the music the radio station wished to play  from that portfolio without getting back a complete 100% playlist of all music played from that portfolio.  Because  the agent would not know who had been played and could not divide the money paid to the agent for the use of the copyrighted music within the blanket license  to the artists that had actually been played.

This is the same across the board in shops, businesses, hotels, restaurants, whatever, your Intellectual Property ownership of your music never changes, it still belongs to you. It must have the same protection for any public broadcast.

If for instance a pub paid IMRO or PPI a yearly license to play music on their premises. They played your CD or Song in that premises, you would be entitled to get some royalties out of that payment.

But here is the strange thing, when IMRO  or PPI collects the payment from that pub and your music is played IMRO or PPI have no idea your music has been played or not, in most cases. They have no system in place to track the actual music played. They say as mentioned in other articles, they do all these survey’s and so on but still they have left your music to be played on a blanket license without having a proper structure in place for you to get the  royalty payments, you may in fact get nothing.

So who gets your money?

They have plenty of resources to go out and collect the money but seemingly no resources to find out what music is  actually being played in the pub or venue.

But that is their responsibility

That is what those businesses
Were setup to do


Otherwise they should not be trading

From IMRO Website:

IMRO will collect and distribute royalties earned by you for public performances of your music in Ireland. Public performances include radio/television broadcasts, live performances and online uses

PPI Website States:

PPI is the only organisation in Ireland to collect royalties for copyright recorded music on behalf of record companies and performers.

They have collected your money

So where is it?

They have licensed  a commercial business to use your music protected by Copyright Law to be played on a commercial premises and you may have receive no royalty payment. So where is it?

On a local basis this has a devastating effect on local musicians who would play some of their own music live in venues or have their music played on the system in the pubs, yes IMRO collect money for live gigs in Venues as well, big or small.

Bands or individuals are entitled to royalty payments if you are playing some of your own music during your gigs if IMRO has a music license issued to that Venue for Live performance.

They go to the venue, or business, measure up the premises, issue  a bill  accordingly, usually get paid (or take the owners to court if they don’t pay) and have little or no idea what music is being played in the premises, (ever in fact in most cases) unless something specific is going on and they have, for some reason need to contact the premises again. That premises is then billed yearly from then on.

Your music could be played on a background system everyday in that venue and they wouldn’t have a clue and as you  may never  come up on their surveys or radio sample and consequently you would get no money. But a music license has been paid and you should be getting part of that money.

But a system was shown to IMRO, how to collect the data from live bands performing in pubs some years ago but they refused to engage with it and have done nothing since.


So the local bands  CD’s or Mp3’s are played on the sound systems and so on and the two royalty collection agencies in the country have no idea what is being played in most of these premises nation wide.

So how do they figure out who to give the money to, legally they can’t, because they don’t have the correct information. But they collect and distribute the money anyway to whomever they want and the music owner that was  played may get nothing. But that music owners, music was used in a commercial premises and is entitled to a royalty payment.


It will be interesting to trace the actual money distribution for the past twenty five years.


It is now a known fact from our research 
That thousands of people are getting absolutely nothing.
Some people have received NO Royalty PAYMENTS for
Over twenty years


So where did that money collected on behalf of these members go?

Why doesn’t the entire membership of these agencies get their money?

Who is pocketing all our money?



 IRSC codes are not tracked either we have been told by a person in PPI. So who knows who is being played in shops, gyms, banks, pubs on background systems? 

If you get an album printed / duplicated for instance, you have to pay at source for any cover track, you have recorded on the album, you pay royalties to the owner of the cover songs. This is a very good idea in theory, but in reality what is actually happening? What happens the money?

From speaking to a PPI representative, this information was relayed: this money is paid to PPI  but if that person who owns the songs you have recorded is not a  member of PPI, they may not get any money, because they are not a member of PPI?

So who gets the money, who does it go to?

If someone records one of your tracks and they pay the money when they get their CD’s printed that money goes to PPI, but you are not a member of PPI, so you may not get the money either, you don’t even know the money has been paid.

So who gets the money, who does it go to?


These are the questions we want answers to.

We will get our answers in court.


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No one person within a blanket license is entitled to more than another if the amount of public airplay cannot be
100% determined across all media.

Please look at that statement above carefully

We are aware that neither IMRO nor PPI have full records of all airplay because they never put the structure in place to achieve that. Please reference other articles on the website for reference to these.

Basically, if a blanket license cannot provide a full and comprehensive payment structure for all its members and cannot track public performances 100% that blanket license cannot be a legal document. It lets its members open to having their music played publicly and no royalty payment is received. The Intellectual Property Act makes it quite clear that this is not to be the case.

We have been told about all these complicated strategies these royalty agencies  have in place all over the world to calculate the amount of airplay of public broadcasting. They mean absolutely nothing, they are just pure guessing and in doing so excluding some of their membership from payments. There is in fact no way to figure out who should get paid.


Are you on the “Guess List“?

If not, you will not get your royalty payments.


You can’t just get figures from a Guess List and decide to make a stab at paying people, it is absolutely ridiculous. But only ridiculous for some, it seems to quite beneficial for others, those on this Guess List. But who are the others on that Guess List that is the question?

Guessing is certainly not good enough when you are going out threatening to take people to court if they don’t pay you. Their guessing is costing us a lot of money and they are misrepresenting us and our copyrighted music because we are not on the Guess List.

These agencies are not serving the purpose they were set up for and will have to be replaced and should pay us back the money collected belonging to us. 
They should also be prosecuted in our opinion.

We have contacted police agencies calling for an investigation into what now seems to be a Global Misappropriation of our money not just in Ireland.

The money  collected here is going world wide through Affiliates of the Irish Royalty agencies.  It is a fact also that there are other agencies around the world using similar systems which are basically doing the same thing. Collecting money for one member and giving it to another due to lack of proper information for distribution.

What is actually going on here? This is a massive movement of money going around the world, but who is getting it all, billions. Is this a system for all the big boys of the music industry to get  the lions share of the money collected?

Lets see

Royalty agencies should not be allowed to trade without having a system that can track all music publicly played. They cannot represent members of a royalty collection and distribution organisation because they have not got the proper payment information at their disposal.


Please Note:    The points raised on this website are not a reflection of the performance or of any involvement of the royalty agencies paid staff.

And if any statements were made in haste and anger in a previous publication of this article we offer a sincere apology.


We find it a  real pity that the arrogance of these agencies has led to this, all out situation now. 


All we ever wanted was the money owed to us.

How awful to think that some of  the most brilliant and respected, by us, of our countries top artists may now be dragged into this and maybe their reputations smeared, all because of a few who would not put this essential structure in place properly. For this we are truly sorry.


But maybe the time is right to bring it to a  head

To sort it out properly once and for all.


We have to stand up for our rights through this website and  protest at this wrong being inflicted upon us.  We have had years of being ignored and brushed aside, condescending remarks and basically made feel like stupid fools every time we contacted these agencies looking for our money. They asking for playlist they should have on their records and had responsibility for getting, but as stated above they have no system to collect these records.

This is the last outlet affordable and practical available to us, and we are far from fools I can assure you. There is no one too big to be beyond reproach.


The information that  remains on the website is factual from the information available to us presently, until it can be  proven otherwise.

Documentation from various sources has been sought under the freedom of information act to corroborate the figures and facts we now have. We will publish the updates as they arrive.


We have received a legal threat

To have this website removed.


But thank God for the Internet. Blogs, Social Media, Advertising, one site down another fifty up., not by the same website owner obviously.


We Will Not Be Silenced This Time.

As soon as the police investigation starts we will be seeking to have these agencies “Right To Trade” removed and will be contacting their Webhosts to have their websites taken offline.

We will be referring this matter to the companies registration office for assessment also because the Articles of Association of these agencies seem to conflict with their collection and distribution methods, and consequently members can suffer deceit, misrepresentation and funds collect on their behalf, misappropriated.



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